I'm not sure having a troll take over the thread with longwinded posts and people biting at everything he posts constitutes "delivering".
Related: This is a really fantastic read: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/o...ight-the-man.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Great article. Not sure if half of it isn't bullshit, but I <3 David Brooks so I'm giving him a pass.
Honestly reading this thread makes me facepalm so hard. Everyone who is basically posting "lol religion" is just as close-minded and ignorant as that idiot who is quoting the Bible.
I'm gonna take a stab at this post just to see if it has anything left to bleed out. That is not what Philosophy of Science is about. This doesn't make any sense. You clearly don't' know any scientists. I'm sure it's been done before There's a difference between approaching research with different beliefs and failing to amend your beliefs based on empirical evidence. Creationists are not scientists because they reject empiricism. Not watching that Trolling. Subjective. You do not have to have a relationship with God to believe in him/her. You have 250 words to convince me you're not a troll account.
How so? If something isn't true, why should we be more "open minded" about anyone saying it is? Should I be open minded to the Earth being flat?
While I completely agree with you in regards to God defined as a broad concept, Kaleidoscope's beloved literal Biblical interpretation is demonstrably false, which is what most of this thread ultimately centered around.
Yes, I agree with this. I just wanted to make sure everyone here has a sane degree of skepticism present in their views.
Sometimes a funny picture is just a funny picture. Also, wouldn't this particular funny picture be more of an argument for your side of the fence?
Hey brother do you believe in evolution? No I'm a theist. I mean have you ever seen evolution happen? If we came from monkeys, why do they still exist?
Yeah, but why wouldn't you call out something that's on 'your side of the fence' if it's just going to wind up hurting your case? Better catch it while it's early. But really, if our (meaning everyone here) whole point is to come up with some logical, evidence-rooted 'proof' for what the 'truth' may be, then it's intellectually dishonest to let pseudoarguments exist while you sit idly by.
Why do you need to come up with some logical evidence or proof? I mean the concept of god was presented to you by other people. No divine intervention at all.(what does divine intervention is another matter) But why debate whether something like a god would or should exist? Why did you feel the need to talk to us about your version of what existence might be? There isn't a single case of atheists becoming religious again. There are some bullshit examples, but those are just christian propaganda, and they were never atheists to begin with. But religious people losing faith? They come in millions every single year. All of us, all the people you're debating with, are ex christians, muslims, whatever. Nobody convinced us that we should "convert". It was just the natural way after observing that there isn't much of a point in religion. Resistance to reason is futile. The world is more and more educated by the second, and if you look back throughout history you'll see that religion is losing ground constantly and exponentially. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but your children, or your grandchildren at least, will be without god. I can't know for sure, but if you look at it from a statistical point of view , you're pretty much mathematically fucked.
That was just a rant about stuff I wasn't even talking talking about. All I said was, if you are arguing for X, and your buddy presents a false argument, you ought to call him out on it.
You ought to call yourself out on that atrocious arguments you presented ITT, but I guess intellectual dishonesty is too appealing when you're wrapped up in fairy tales and pseudo reason.
This thread pretty much sums up some of my biggest challenges as a Christian. I just can't seem to relate at all with what other Christians are saying.
that's because christianity is totally different for every person, and nobody can tell them that their version is wrong. except, of course, those people who are closer to god than you, who think you might not be hearing god correctly, or that you really need to listen better, or whatever.
What about people that have changed their mind regarding specific doctrines, or even God in general, after another person shows them the flaws in their beliefs? I know a few.
What would flaws be? Because it seems to me like it ultimately comes down to who, or what, you accept as authority. And whether you think that authority is the Bible, or the Pope, or what God puts in everyone's heart, or the "intended meaning" or something else- no matter what it is, it ultimately rests on debatable theological ground.
It doesn't disprove anything. I'm just saying, what you consider to be "flaws" are actually just different understandings. People change their mind about how the interpret being a "Christian" all the time, but that doesn't mean they change their attitudes from the ones Archajay is talking about. I have a relative who used to be Catholic, and put full trust in faith in the authority of the church, it's teachings, and the Pope. Then, one day, he woke up and was a fundamentalist conservative. He didn't stop being less of a hard ass about what he considered was "christian" and what was not, he just flipped his position and then went on with the same know-it-all attitude he'd been fostering all along. People rarely go from having extreme beliefs on one side to having more middle of the ground, moderate ones. They go from one extreme to another, and in the process they think they're suddenly being more reasonable somehow.
I used to believe the Loch Ness monster was a plesiosaur, but I recently changed my position and now I think it's a mosasaur.
then could you provide some examples of these "flaws in their beliefs"? maybe we can all learn something.
Person A: Evolution is a myth created by Atheist scientists who hate their lives and beat their wives, and are also short, fat and bald. Person B: No, it's actually a sound scientific theory upon which more evidence is mounted in its support every day. *shows evidence* Person A: SOMETHING CAN'T COME FROM NOTHING ,THAT THEORY FAIL;S.
Even though I'm a Christian, by blood runs cold every time I hear another Christian utter the word "evidence" when talking about their faith.
