Their first couple albums were pretty good. Then they sucked for a while, and the new album's pretty good, though still manages to explore new and different ways of being awful (River's mustache, the songs where the other members sing). They are (or were) pretty overrated, though. Definitely not the best alternative band, but they put out a lot of really good music.
Being smart has nothing to do with translating your unintelligable critiques. You are in charge of making yourself understood, therefore; if anyone is stupid because of a misunderstanding, it's you. I don't see the point in calling something overrated, because it's fucking pointless. All it means is you don't like it, and a bunch of other people do. Saying something is "overrated" is uppity and offensive. If that's your intent, then I don't have an issue with it, but as I said, you'd look like less of an asshat if you expressed that opinion in a different manner. Also, nice red herring on the end there. Unfortunately, what I do, and what I am perceived as has nothing to do with the validity of my argument.
I like select songs off their albums; their discography is really spotty, especially they're recent stuff. I love the music video for Buddy Holly though.
this. and the new album has some sick songs on it too, I really like it. I really don't understand the extreme hate (by most) for their post Blue and Pinkerton work. I think people want Blue or Pink parts 2, but don't expect/think it will ever happen so automatically write the band off before the new album even comes out. So many people were hanging shit on the red album before it even came out it wasn't funny. I just think its ridiculous to say that EVERYTHING AFTER PINKERTON AND THE BLUE ALBUM IS HORRIBLE if you enjoy/love those two ablums, because the subsequent albums DO sound similar and DO contain similar songs, regardless if they are "as good" or not.
i don't give a shit what the songs sound like, i just want them to be good. the songs have not been good since pinkerton. that is why everything after pinkerton is horrible.
Throw in Freak You Out and Peace and you have mine. And Hold Me and Beverly Hills aren't bad every once in a while.
@People who say i don't like pop/poppy music: I love Depeche Mode, the Pet Shop Boys, the Crash Test Dummies, Live, Editors, Interpol, A-Ha.. hell, i don't even mind some Blink 182 songs. But Weezer simply aren't a good band.
Haven't heard them much. Didn't like what I heard though. Pretty pointless music. Rap is pointless too by the way. This thread delivers though!
what's really the "point" of any music? is the shit you listen to really any less pointless than Weezer or rap?
Whether something is opinion or fact does not exclude it from basic principles of logic. Saying "it's just my opinion" doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to rationally explain it.
um, ok... but I'm not questioning whether people are allowed to have their own point of view or not, I'm asking you to explain yours.
Because they are foolish. At least Meshuggah is cool sounding and their music certainly requires a lot of skill to play and conceive. Any spotty 14 year old with a Squier Strat can bust out any Weezer song after playing for like 5 minutes His name IS Jonas! But that's beside the point! LOL! When I can breathe again I may just address that ridiculously stupid statement. Yup. Elephant shit on your face>value and pertinence of anthing buchkoba says Weezer is like the emotional equivalent of the borg. If you want "emotive", check out Richie Havens, not fucking WEEZER for gods sakes! I would. They suck. They don't. Now that IS true. And by "blown out of proportion" I mean, people lie and say they are good at all. No, how good a band is is directly related to the music they play AND NOTHING ELSE. Your ENJOYMENT of the band is related to your conception of what good is, but there are certain things that are obviously just good, or just bad. If the quality of music only depended on the perception of the audience, we wouldnt, in fact, need the musicians to be involved in the process at all. And I think we can all agree that would be pretty retarded. Uhm, the MUSIC is concrete. Music does not change. If I listen to a Weezer album, it is the same Weezer album you are able to hear, however many hundreds or thousands of miles away you might be, or however many days or years before or after me you listen to it. It remains exactly the same. It will still be the same in 150 years if, god help us, it lasts that long. That is about as "concrete as it gets. No, and it's precisely people who think that way that fuck it all up. To say something is overrated is to say, people like this a lot more than they probably should, considering what else is out there. Not to mention, there are things that are overrated that I *DO* like. No, not when it's used properly by people who know what they are talking about (which is rare, to be sure). No, because these are completely wrong. If I wanted to say those things, I would say them. If I want to say a band sucks or is overrated because that is the case, then I will say those things. There's plenty of shit that is truly overrated. Just turn on the radio or eMpTyV. Wow, if I had never heard them before I would run out to buy all their albums after reading that! Very convincing! Certainly not any more than any other form of music discussion that goes on here and in similar places. No, it means it's overrated, as in, people think it's better than it is. How is it offensive? What's offensive is trying desperately to claim that someone is saying something other than what they are, merely because YOU happen to disagree. Clearly, you do. A different manner than what he is actually trying to express? I think saying something like that makes YOU the asshat. It might, or it might not. Depends on what you do and who you are and what you are saying at the time. Saying that the term "overrated" effectively doesnt exist WOULD tend to hurt your credibility. I would call that about a draw myself.
Oh, so now you're quantifying what is and isn't emotional for me? Thanks. Appreciate it. Saves me the trouble. No there isn't. Music is entirely subjective. IF there was any absolute measure we wouldn't be having this disagreement. That wasn't the argument, please read the post again. THe argument isn't "Weezer's music isn't concrete" it's that, your perception or idea of overrated is not, as it isn't based on anything other than your own opinion, so it's not conrete. Than they should....BASED ON WHAT? Based on whose opinion? Based on YOURS! YOU think there is better stuff out there, other don't. YOU think they're overrated, which means, you don't like them and most other people do. You aren't the authority that measures how good something is, and if the response to how good it is proportionate, because...wait.. IT'S SUBJECTIVE! You saying I'm wrong does not make me wrong. You're stifling any attempt at an argument by being an asshole about it. Those things mean what I say, as I've stated and supported above. Again, based on what? Oh, right, YOUR perception of good. Which means YOU don't think it's good, and everyone else does. I'm not sure what the issue is here, you keep rephrasing what I've said, and telling me it's not true. Clearly you're having some issues reading what I've wrote. I've given him two equivalent ways to express the same things, both of which are less offensive, because rather than implying he is the authority of what is good or bad it shows that it is merely his dislike for the band that generates his opinions. Wrong. One does not need credibility to have a valid argument, or to be right. That's a logical fallacy. What you think of me, and what you know of me has no bearing on the validity of my argument, or the validity of anything I've said ITT.
I don't think I have the heart or care to make another post that long, so this is probably it. Sorry to disappoint.
Well, perhaps "pointless" was the wrong word to use. I simply meant that the music doesn't appeal to me. As for Weezer I must admit I have heard them to little to say for sure. I just remember that I didn't like what I heard some years back particularly much. Definitely not enough to want to listen to them again. As for rap music, it's mainly the vocals and the beats that annoy me. Can't really follow the rythm in the music. Also IMO it doesn't have enough melody and it doesn't have any atmosphere.
How does this track, for example, have no melodies, or atmosphere? [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxcl8f3aIUY"]YouTube - Ill Bill - War Is My Destiny feat. Max Cavalera[/ame] It's dripping with atmosphere
Omega Monkey is one of those elitist internet music nerds that sometimes makes me ashamed to be a part of this forum.
It has nothing to do with you. That's your problem, you are led by ego. Try just being responsive to your surroundings instead. And you should wish that I was, because you dont seem that good at it. No. It categorically isnt. One thing that I learned from the late Violent Green, was the exact difference between objective and subjective. Or I should say he clarified it for me in a way I hadn't really thought about. And basically it's that OBJECTive comments are referring to the OBJECT of the discussion (in this case, the music of Weezer), while SUBJECTive comments are referring to the SUBJECT (ie the commenter). So the music (the object) OBJECTIVELY has certain qualities, or doesnt, regardless of how anyone may feel about the music. Some of these attributes may be RELATIVE to other music, but that is not to be confused with being subjective, which is something completely different. Just because something cannot be precisely quantified, does not mean it is not objective, or fact. For instance, the amount of stars in the universe cannot be quantified either, but saying "theres a lot of fucking stars!" is accurate, truthful, and objective, albeit "relative" to most other things. That is where you are wrong. My "opinion" is not based on my opinion. Only a fucking complete tool would ever do something like that. Again, it has nothing to do with your or anyone's perception of what Weezer's music may or may not be. It is what it is. The music is not changed by your perception, only your experience of it is. When you can understand the fine line between those concepts, then you will understand why I am right and you are dead wrong. Based on the peoples' opinions who overrated them, as it does or doesnt correlate to the relationship between Weezer's own music and the rest of music throughout "recorded" history (pun kind of intended). I don't THINK there's better stuff. There IS better stuff. Please, explain what criteria you are using to decide that Weezer are a band that excels in a poarticular area, and I can show you a bunch of other better bands, and if I can't, you've probably come up with something completely obscure and irrelevant. I don't THINK they are overrated, they simply ARE. And it doesnt mean I dont like them and most people do, because first off, as much as you massage your vagina over them, most people do NOT like them. "A lot" of people like them, probably some thousands, maybe even a couple hundred thousand or so. That means the other 6 billion plus people on the planet dont give a shit. But we're really talking about the "fans". Look, I know you will find this hard to understand, but it is actually quite common for people to like or dislike music in disproportion to it's actual quality. It happens in both directions. For YOU (and who the fuck are you?) to proclaim that this phenomenon doesnt even exist, is just beyond ridiculous. You dont NEED "authority" to measure something, all you need is the unit of measurement. And it's NOT subjective because you are categorically talking about the OBJECT, not the subject(s). No, you BEING wrong makes you wrong. And Im not being an asshole, Im just being right. And you saying you are right, does not make YOU right, those things do NOT mean what YOU say they mean, they mean what they ACTUALLY mean. ANd sorry, but you havent supported shit other than to say "this is meaningless, it means this". Again, not my perception, but on what the music actually IS. And this... "I'm not sure what the issue is here, you keep rephrasing what I've said, and telling me it's not true." coming from you is just hilarious, because that is what YOU have been trying to do this whole thread. No, you havent. You have "given" 2 insufficient and inaccurate "alternatives" which express something completely different than what he was trying to say. Well, either way, in this case it's a moot point, because you are wrong. But just a hint, having a reputation for knowing what you are talking about will increase the chances that people will believe you and agree with you in the future.
Theyre ok. Better than Weezer at least. You know buch is grasping at straws, well, because he's buch and that's all he ever has in any argument. But you REALLY know, when he tries to discredit me by saying I like a band which is a band which I rate as ok, don't own albums, nor even any mp3s, but merely think they have some mildy entertaining songs. So yeah, guy, you've really damned me with that one! Oh, and btw, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.
What does that have to do with anything? Is only the most skilled and technically electrified music worth listening to? Just because "anyone" can do something doesn't mean everyone has. Weezer are original. Simple does not equate to bad. Also, you do like The Offspring, and their music is pretty simple as well, so maybe you ought to re-evaluate this theory before being a douche. Anyway, its not worth picking apart the rest of your atrocious post, I just wanted to make that one point. And after all, anyone who can read above a ninth grade level could tell that you're a complete idiot. I'd even go as far to say you're the worst poster on Five Eight Forums.
LTD's arguments for why he doesn't like Weezer are so bad. "I like a lot of good pop music. But I don't like Weezer. That makes them bad."
Honestly of all bands to get yourself all bent out of shape over... Weezer? Egads man. I also think it's funny you actually think I'm trying to argue about this with you. Never leave, your absurdity is way too much fun!
