Discussion in 'Political/Religious' started by unklejman, Oct 13, 2011.
Place your bets.
I hate FOX, but I love this guy:
Doubtful, not like USA can afford it. (Then again, there's seemingly no problem the Americunts can't just charge their way out of!) My bet is we'll see some fake muscle-flexing, and sanctions that hurt the people who have nothing to do with the Iranian gov't. And life will go on for the rest of us, as it should. Then Iran will start selling their shit in euros and WWIII between USA and Asia will begin.
Also, this reeks of false flag/CIA op.
I think that we are heading towards a cold war type scenario, or at least iran taking the role of iraq/afghantistan as the proverbial threat and scapegoat. Iran doesnt pose much threat to us soil and i have serious doubts about the supposed assasination plot. They do have a position where if provoked they can cause massive economic fallout by blocking the strait of homruz. On top of that, russia and china view iran as a strategic ally due to their oil, and would strongly oppose a campaign. So i think this fight will be all bark and no bite. That said, i do believe strongly that iran is the driving force behind sectarian violence, non peaceful resistance and the assassination of progressive thinkers in the middle east and would like to see that influence come to an end.
It'll probably happen at some point, but it would be political suicide for Barry right now.
Yay! another war!
If war means that the filth knows as Islam is removed then I'm all for it.
This debate has been going on for years. Iran is in a goldmine because they can get away with murder knowing that they have strings to pull on both sides. It's pretty sad actually.
So I don't know how many of you have been following the Iran issues, but it's getting ridiculous. Iran is trolling the entire world, and the only country with the balls to do anything about it is Israel (the badasses in Mossad really know how to kill nuclear scientists).
We need those sanctions that the West is calling for to avoid armed conflict. Iran won't last long if they are implemented.
i hope the israelis nuke the shit out of that festering shithole
Iran's going to take care of itself. The people there already know they're getting hosed, and they occasionally act up because of it. There will come a time when Mahmoud isn't going to be able to kill enough of them to keep them down. The worst thing that could happen is for us to stick our stupid, meddling asses into their business. The Iranians themselves are actually pretty cool with America. Cause a substantial lowering of their quality of life and that all changes.
As for whether or not we do anything, probably not. That seems to have become a partisan matter. As long as the GOP has a big, missile shaped hard-on for Iran, Obama probably won't do it. Besides, he actually seems to get the aspect of it that I just mentioned.
Israel's a different story. I make no predictions ever about who they'll start bombing at any given point in time. Fortunately, they seem to be content to just carry out assassinations here and there
I bet Iran smells like the inside of an anus.
What have they done lately that has you so fired up Wilcaz? My view on them is that they are only trolling the US and Israel, and only because those countries are allowing themselves to be trolled. The nuclear issue is blown way out of proportion... I think they want them as a deterrent, not so they can attack anybody unprovoked. Or do you think they need to be stopped from funding various Shia factions abroad? And sanctions aren't gonna do shit because Russia and China will refuse to comply.
Trolling Europe as well. Iran doesn't need nukes. Any country with a stated intention of destroying another country doesn't need nukes.
They need hugs.
Nobody needs nukes. So your gripe is that they should not have a nuclear energy program because the West is afraid?
i haven't read too much into it but wouldn't cutting off the strait of hormuz really piss of the saudis? as far as i know it's the only way out of saudi arabia by sea
most of the saudi arabian coast is to the red sea, so i don't think so
Most of the infrastructure for the oil industry is situated on the eastern side of the Arabian peninsula, not the West. Think about how UAE, Oman, Qatar and Kuwait all have significant capacity as well... everything developed to be closer together in that region as opposed to being towards Africa. So the Red Sea is obviously one way to access SA, but not as convenient.
Check these out...
http://www.eia.gov/cabs/saudi_arabia/images/Oil and Gas Infrastructue Persian Gulf (large) (2).gif
http://www.eia.gov/cabs/saudi_arabia/Full.html (the second map)
So not only are the reserves in the west, but also most of the infrastructure either goes to the Arabian Gulf or the Mediterranean. A lot of the infrastructure is remote as hell to begin with... there are sites which can only be reached after over 12 hours of driving on very tough roads, and that's just for cars/vans.
so shouldn't the saudis be pissed? i haven't heard anything about the saudi government denouncing this theoretical blockade - but i guess they tend to keep quiet on most international issues because they don't want to mess with the status quo
My gripe is that we should be trying to deter genocide from happening.
The Saudis would definitely be pissed! And every other country in the GCC. Plus most of them are Sunni governed countries and not exactly warm towards Iran, especially after they invaded Iraq.
To think anything is leading towards genocide seems like such a stretch and reeks of neo-con war machine agenda. They are never going to send troops and they would never use a WMD since it would mean killing just as many if not more Arab people (since the Israelis are the ones who have bunkers). If you want to be pissed about something be pissed that their support of the armed Shia factions is a big contributor towards the sustained violence that has lead to too many innocent people being killed. At least that is not a slim to none hypothetical situation, it is something that is actually occurring.
do iran have ANYTHING to fire a nuke with if they got one? can they reach israel with it at all?
probably, israel is not really that far from iran
Yeah, I don't think Iran would nuke Israel unless the USA becomes really isolationist and all the internal dissent magically disappears. Even if that happened, they would still get more fucked by the Israeli nukes than vice versa. The Iranian regime isn't some insane suicidal cult like al-Qaeda, they have a lot of other stuff to worry about.
The European Union banned imports of oil from Iran on Monday and imposed a number of other economic sanctions, joining the United States in a new round of measures aimed at deflecting Tehran's nuclear development programme.
Was about to post that exact same link.
it's fucking ON!
Iraq invaded Iran. Iran just didn't care to stop the thing when Saddam was getting his ass kicked and wanted a ceasefire.
The embargo is pretty pointless. They'll sell more oil to Russia and China, and the the EU until July. After a while, the EU will agree to sell them back their frozen assets, just like St. Reagan did in 1980. In the mean time, this will go just like every other attempt at sanctions we try. The ruling elite won't be affected. The commoners will suffer a very minor decrease in quality of living, and everybody will point the finger solely at the US.
Frankly, this is just Dickhead Obama just trying to act like he has a pair, when in fact he's pussying out to the GOP, yet again.
Oh boy, WW3 here we come. Surprised to see the amount of anti-Iran positions on this forum. I forgot I started this thread.
this is gonna be gud
I highly doubt that a war with Iran would spark WW3.....
I like that the only country that has used nukes (in an act of terrorism on civilians, natch) is the one with the biggest hardon against Iran's nuclear capability. I think Iran should get nukes if only so that we can leave them alone like we do to all the other countries that have nukes and pose an equal if not greater threat to international stability.
Iran completely wiping out Israel would just be an added bonus and help ease world tensions even more. I doubt they would follow through on it since so many of Iran's upper level military leaders are actually Mossad infiltrators themselves. That was a joke; the real reason they can't get rid of Israel is the reason the American Taliban pols will never ban abortion. Why remove the focal point for riling up the people when you can keep demonizing it as long as it exists?
iran plans to sanction EU over their sanctions:
don't fuck with iran!!!
so wouldn't that actually mean it wouldn't be such a big deal?
I think he's right that the six month cut-off date was meant to smooth the transition. Sounds to me like it might actually sting a bit if they disrupt exports now. In any event, the Chinese will be the big winners in this. Not sure that's what we want to see happen.
I find it quite ironic that the only country that has abused a nuclear weapon believes it has the right to become the world police officer who decides which countries get nuclear weapons and which don't.
Agreed, but welcome to 4 posts ago.
an interesting read just before my bed time. Tonight I will dream of nuclear infernos.
Also, even if they get a nuclear weapon, would they dare use it? Hell no. Iran knows that if it were to launch a nuke, not only would the nuke be disabled or shot out of the air by every single Western European nation or the US, but every nation in the West would likely launch a nuke to Iran as well.
They aren't trying to get a nuclear weapon to use it; they are trying to get one (that is if they, in fact are trying to get one) merely for global reputation, respect, bragging rights, deterrent, etc.
not really but Iran would be fucked in the ass like no other country has been.
Exactly. My hope in mankind has mostly vanished but I still believe that no one on this planet would be stupid enough to risk triggering nuclear armaggedon.
But it sure as hell is a nice little tool to bargain for power.
What? If Israel is completely destroyed, there is no reason to issue reprisals. What's done is done. If anything nuking Iran will get a huge monkey off our backs. USA would be in a sense a larger beneficiary of this than Iran would.
plus, Germany would hand over the eternal scapegoat title for antisemitism.
Agreed with disappear on this one, but i dunno if that "we can't afford it" part is correct. I mean, from WW2 until now, the US economy is kinda dependent on wars. What are the workers that build tanks, helicopters, catering, clothing, engineers and many others supposed to do during peace time? Even the maintenance on all that equipment should cost more than the budget of a small country. What president Ike prophesied about the "war machine" started during the great wars, is in full swing right now.
I've seen teacher strikes, gov employee strikes, but i've yet to see an army strike. Those guys don't seem to have job related problems.
doesn't most of iran's oil get sold to asia anyway? i don't think losing europe as a trading partner is going to cause too much in the way of problems, but i guess it's more about sending a message
The army sort of isn't allowed to strike. A picket line of tanks might pose some problems.
Good IRL troll. I would send a real drone back to them.
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