Using ProTools to change guitar presets live

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  1. Brooks jumpingduck.jpg

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    Has anyone ever done this? We're now playing with a click track and sampling certain things we can't replicate live (shaker/tambourine, more easily replicate guitar harmony, etc.) so we're sort of halfway set up to do that kinda thing. We're just using an mbox 2 pro as an interface into my MacBook Pro.
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    I believe The Ocean does this. Not sure if it's Pro Tools, but if you can change your guitar presets with MIDI then it should be quite easy.
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    tell us your guitar signal chain
  4. Powellman FAGGOT

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    the midi in protools is terrible, cubase would be much handier. You'll need a guitar interface that has MIDI in though.
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    Yeah basically the only way I can think of doing that is to have a midi out from protools, that is sending midi commands to your guitar rig, telling it the patch changes.
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    So I got it to work. What I did was connected the MIDI out from the Ground Control to the mbox. I set up a MIDI track and just pushed some buttons to see if I was getting a signal. Indeed. I recorded myself stomping all over the Ground Control and played it back and indeed, mini light show on the pedal. Success. I didn't want to record every change because there would be a lot of variables, human error, etc. So I aimed to find where the automation was occurring within the MIDI track on Pro Tools (piano roll, foot controller, etc.) and saw some automation under program changes. It had little boxes with numbers in them. If the box said 1, it would go to preset 1 on the Ground Control. If the box said 59, it would immediately jump to 59. So I just put in automation for every song. GREAT SUCCESS.

    It works perfectly, and it was pretty easy to figure out.
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  7. Brooks jumpingduck.jpg

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    Looks like it saves you a lot of work!
  9. Brooks jumpingduck.jpg

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    Oh yes. Yes indeed.
  10. chronowarp Allo fu'in poppit

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    How is that changing...?
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  12. chronowarp Allo fu'in poppit

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    i still don't get it.
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    The ground control thing basically tells his rack stuff what to do. The ground control, in turn, is being commanded by protools.
  14. Brooks jumpingduck.jpg

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    Ground Control MIDI IN ---> M Box MIDI OUT. MIDI track on Pro Tools has programmed changes (1-10 because I have 10 sounds that I'm using live). In the video it's switching between RTYM and CLN 1, which is program change 1 and 2, respectively.
  15. chronowarp Allo fu'in poppit

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    So is your band going to be playing to this midi live or something, is that why you're doing it?
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    EDIT: I guess it's worth clarifying a little more. J.C. will be hearing exactly what's playing in the video for every song.
  17. chronowarp Allo fu'in poppit

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    man fuck playing to a click live.
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  19. chronowarp Allo fu'in poppit

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    Not something that would ever work for me. I don't feel like music is metronomic or meant to be played metronomically. I only see a click as a means to an end in a recording situation because it allows you absolute consistency and control.

    I feel like subtle changes in tempo based on the mood and emotional reaction of the band, and even extreme tempo changes are musical devices that achieve a musical effect. I feel it's not genuine in a way, but I guess I wouldn't be opposed to it if I absolutely needed things to be triggered on songs...because there wouldn't be a better of way of doing it.

    Also, my drummer sucks at playing to a click live (fucking faggot).