Maybe it was TM screaming that GZ's face was hurting his fists! But seriously, this is a pretty huge deal. I'd wait for the grand jury to examine the evidence though. I still think GZ should fry in any case.
That was a hideous article that said ZERO.. and where are they getting the voice of TM to anaylze against the tape? plus there are wtinesses saying they saw GZ screaming..SAW IT.. as he pleaded for help. typical CNN nonsense. what a crap news network.
Did you even read the article? It said that they didn't have a sample of TM's voice to analyze. It also said the only thing it established was that computer analysis suggested a 48% likelihood that it was GZ's voice. The experts and CNN were both very clear that this isn't conclusive, and that the only thing it does is cast some doubt that it was GZ screaming, not that it was TM.
I'm going to have to assume that you didn't even read it, or that your reading comprehension skills are on par with your spelling skills. We have a guy with 28 years of forensic audio analysis experience saying he'd "stake his reputation" on it not being Zimmerman screaming on the audio. The fact that the story is presented by CNN doesn't mean a fucking thing.
http://fox8.com/2012/04/02/experts-analyze-screams-on-911-call-in-trayvon-martin-case/ Must be that worthless Fox news network
Fucking worthless NYPost.com, you know that OTHER front for the liberal media http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/tape_twist_in_trayvon_case_aiNEmUrDHx0g9xLbb2yJuO
Fuck, even the MAIN Foxnews site has been taken over by liberal media bias http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/0...-not-trayvon-martin-shooter-george-zimmerman/
Youre right its not meaning a whole lot when they have eyewitnesses saying they saw GZ getting hammered and screaming for help.. again, eye witnesses... unless it says "its 100% TM and 100% NOT GZ" then Im not really sure what it means" is that so hard for you to understand? you seem so vested in what could be shills for jobs on networks.. and like the Funeral Director said there wa NO injuires to TM so why would he be screaming for "help"? and the screams went on for a while..so long that a people made 911 calls about the screams and we see that it possible that TM was a fighter and even refereed fights outside his school and was used to fighting, so why would he be screaming since there is no marks on him that he was being beaten? we do see now marks on GZ and we have witnesses saying they saw GZ screaming for help. I will wait a bit longer to see how valid this "expert" is. he is using GZs voice from hsi 911 call? I'd say he has another voice when fearing for his life..
Something you're overlooking is that eye-witnesses suck. Consistently and thoroughly. In this case, you've got witnesses testifying to things that directly contradict each other. The natural tendency is to do what you're doing, and believe those who support what you want to have happened, and pronounce the others mistaken or liars. Shoddy logic and tells you nothing.
logic tells me that "after one is screaming for mintues for help thats usually the one in peril ,and then we hear the gunshot.. so if it was GZ in control and not screaming he would not have had to reach to get his gun and fire to save himself."...and we have witnesses attesting to just that.. thats called LOGIC..
Yeah, actually that's not logic. It's a theory. I believe there is a logical fallacy in there, though.
That is NOT what the article said, at all. One guy said it was a "48% match," whatever that means, and added that he would have expected a 60% (EDIT: 90% I guess? I remember seeing 60 on CNN or somewhere) match if it actually was him. If they were really saying it was a 48% chance of it being GZ's voice, then this wouldn't be news. One of the analysts used the term "scientific certainty" of not being Zimmerman. If they really meant that it was a 48% likelihood that it was GZ, then it would be practically 100% that it actually was GZ since the vast majority of people would return very, very low probabilities of being specified to a particular voice. I have a hard time believing that voice recognition technology really works that well insofar as comparing a calm 911 call to high-stress yelling for help, but I'm not sure. As a statistician I have much less faith in the analysts ability to correctly be able to interpret the results of the software they are using. For sure I don't value this as highly as eye witness accounts, but the witnesses who saw TM on top of GZ have been keeping a very low profile it seems.
The only eye witnesse(s) said the same thing, though, and that counts for something. Overhearing something and conjecturing as to who was screaming is far less valuable than seeing and positively ID'ing the outfit that the guy on the bottom was wearing.
To bring up the "coon" thing, I live in south FL and I've heard that term as a racial slur quite a few times.
From the Miami Herald: Eye witnesses really do suck. If you're lucky you've got a whole bunch of them saying the same thing. Individually though they're really not worth much. Add to that, Johnny doesn't seem to have done the most professional job of investigating this. Several people have said cops were asking leading questions and correcting testimony. BTW, that article is a great synopsis of everything that was known about the case.
Yeah, lets honestly stop thinking these witnesses are reliable at all. Everything I have read on them, especially in a case like this, has led me to believe they are usually wrong.
Yes, and when witnessing a fatal, violent altercation like this, your first reaction isn't going to be "I need to remember this exactly to call the police," it'll more likely be "OH SHIT WHAT THE HELL PROTECT MYSELF!" Also PTSD can mess with your memory of things. Basically the eyewitness reports seem like a meaningless wash to me.
and only Al Sharpton knows.... so lets stay with his narrative and agenda. The witness saw the whole thing and was not scared for his life, he said GZ was screaming for help and TM was on him beating GZ.
Whats going on here is that the lousy NBC released this kids name and now he lives in fear, and his mother is concerned and is being bantered by the press that has the agenda... The witness was interviewed at the scene and was not led to say anything,
Even if all the witnesses are right, GZ should still be charged with killing an unarmed civilian. It is my understanding that GZ wasn't even a cop!??
It Begins… Youths Screaming “This Is For Trayvon” Beat 78 Year-Old White Man in Toledo. Mr. Watts said one of the boys delivered a single blow to the back of his head during the incident Saturday, knocking the victim to the ground. At one point, the victim recalled being lifted from the ground so one of the boys could “drop-kick” him in the chest. One boy, he said, put his foot on the back of the victim’s neck, with another shouting, “Kill him.” While Mr. Watts was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, “[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon … Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man],” according to a police report.
This report is ridiculous, also. You would think after Jon Stewart ripped their ass they would change format. Also, most likely he said, "cold." I don't believe Zimmerman was a hardcore racist. I think he was prejudiced. He probably did racially profile that kid, but I don't think that makes it a hate crime. I do, however, think he murdered Martin. I believe he should, at least, get a manslaughter charge. And yes, fuck you, this is just going off the information I have received, so don't give me that bullshit. This is just what I think. What I think will change as more facts come out, like any other sane, rational person.
I actually agree with that 100%. I believe there is zero proof thus far that Zimmy is racist. Is he a thug with a history of violence? Yes. And that's what Jesse and Al should focus on. (But then they'd have to turn their attention to the violent thuggery that occurs within the black community every day.)
TBH I just think it was two thugs who got in a fight and it didn't have a damn thing to do with race. Who started it is still a relevant issue, but it wasn't really a race issue.
Yeah. A complicated issue is unfortunately being reacted to emotionally and is going to keep being used as an excuse for reprisals like the Toledo incident unless a black leader steps up. The last one to do that was Bill Cosby and he's a pariah.
Today, I read where Zimmerman's lawyer came out and said that Zimmerman was saying "punks" on the tape, not "coons" And there is now a "forensic audio expert" that agrees he said "punks"
Hmm, another Trayvon-type incident? (Guy in pickup truck asks for directions in black neighborhood, stands his ground when they put on their hoodies, ending with 3 dead and 2 wounded....) Though at least the cops claim to be looking for the suspect. http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/07/us/oklahoma-shootings/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/nbc-fires-producer-over-edited-zimmerman-911-call-201124740.html ...And people think only Fox News has an agenda
I think only stupid uninformed partisan drones believe that kind of shit. There's no such thing as unbiased news these days, especially in the US, which is why it's important to try to get more than one point of view on most things.
Don't compare a little bit of race baiting at NBC to the masterpieces of intentional deception and loaded language that Fox News uses.
Intentional deception? Jesus christ, are you subscribed to the Huffington Post or something? Having a contrarian point of view is not altering content in order to incite anger, as NBC did.
Dude, Fox News alters content all the time. Off the top of my head, I recall Obama saying something to the affect of "we shouldn't say that the guys at the top of insurance companies who are making a bunch of money are bad guys" and Hannity's crew chopping out the first four words of that sentence. There's nothing special about that particular instance, it's just the first thing that came to my mind. There are myriad examples of Fox News chopping up quotes to deliberately place it out of context.
NBC openly admit they have a progressive bias... If you've ever watched MSNBC you'd know it's just as ridiculous as Fox.
I would say that there's a difference between being ridiculous and being "as ridiculous as Fox." MSNBC does things like fire producers, as in this case, and even suspended Olbermann for making campaign contributions. Employing a bunch of hacks, like MSNBC does, is only part of what makes Fox News absurd.
