The Price of Gasoline in the USA and Obama's policies

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  1. Travis Junior Member

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    Thank You... yes the gloom of cap and trade hovering as threat again play into this, everything Obama doees can only lead to higher gas prices. seems many here are just deaf to that reality.
    again, to those who just cant get it, and are hooked on yesterdays stats. we have never had gas prices this high this early in the Spring and we have never had such an aweful President who makes the oils Cos the "enemy" and is again threatening to take away any tax breaks for oil exploration. etc etc
  2. Travis Junior Member

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    is China on board? or shall we revist Kyoto.
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    go ahead an explain it to us.. lol
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    yes...trucks... like in a fleet of trucks..
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    Holy Crap I just read a few of your posts and there is no way you can be serious.... no way..wtf..
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  6. Disappear idot

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    So what are you doing to spend less on gas?
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    we are trying to combine the most cost effective routes and or will be looking to put a surcharge on products and services, the usual things to stay in the black..
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    To be fair, they did fuck up our coastline and cost the environment, the gulf coast tourism industry, and taxpayers millions of dollars.
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    Who cares if China is on board? We can't force them to be. We can, however, do our part and set a good example for the developed world while doing it.
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    As far as I can tell the idea behind cap and trade is to encourage competition by rewarding companies for coming up with economically sustainable fuel alternatives. Since half of the problem behind the high gas prices is that the commodity itself (petroleum) is controlled by such a small and select number of people (Middle Eastern rulers and a few US oil barons) I don't see how encouraging a broader range of competition can do anything except bring the price down in the long term. In the very short term it might raise prices as companies switch gears but in the long term it can't be anything except a good thing.
  11. Bagelstein High Exalted Mystic Führer

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    So explain to me, if you and your wife are able to look at and purchase every single good available to Americans when you go to the supermarket (which is what you have implied by stating you have better evidence than a real study), why are you so concerned with money? You must have plenty of it. I know you are just trying to make a point, but somewhere along the way do you read what you write and think, "Hey now, this sounds absolutely batshit insane.." ?
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    and how would the USa be competitive or lower on costs when battling with a global market? again I dont follow the logic of how impossing cap and trade on us ( which is nonsense anyway) would be anything but an example of how to fail in a global market.
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    Yeah. Essentially its greatest feature is that it allows companies with the greatest ability to invest in cleaner production to do the lion's share of the work while smaller companies with fewer resources can grow their business without having to worry as much about emissions.
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    I honestly dont understand what you are tyring to say.. have a nice day.. Im telling you when we shop for the food and basics the price is going up or they are giving you less of it in the packaging. ask anyone... no need to ask me.. just go shop for basics
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    You realize we've had cap and trade regulations in place for over 15 years, right?

    In the long term, high emissions are going to impose a very large social cost by decreasing the health of the population at the aggregate level. Taking efforts to mitigate this domestically is incredibly valuable for our economy and social welfare in general.
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    So, you are practicing personal responsibility? Then why the whining about the Kenyan usurper raising gas prices?
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  18. Travis Junior Member

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    again, logic says that the consumer will pay for that with higher prices.. and it punishes industrialized countries to just give money to countries who are not..
    Cap and Trade is the other side of the pendulum to bankrupting the country with even more regulation and federal involvement ot pick winnes and losers... its what a Solyndra was banking on..
  19. Travis Junior Member

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    no doubt profits will be reduced and jobs will be the first to go..thats reality.. thats my issue..
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    impossing... I love that werd...: )
  21. Disappear idot

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    Again, why are you whining about Obama if you can take steps on your own to reduce your own carbon footprint?
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    Barack Obama: "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket ...

    I kinda like my rates to go down...call me silly
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    Because the Goracal said my sneakers are still giving off too much carbon..lol...
  24. Bagelstein High Exalted Mystic Führer

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    I am trying to say that you and your wife's experience at your local grocery store is not enough evidence to state national trends in prices. It's not to say that you aren't right, maybe you are. It's just that you are an utter idiot if you don't see how making conclusions based on that alone is more valid than a scientifically produced study that uses proper methods.

    Let's make this real simple, you flip a coin twice, it lands on heads twice. You then conclude coins will always land on the heads side when flipped. This is exactly what you are doing. The problem is sample size, you need to flip the coin more (or take a lot more grocery store data from across the nation) to see what the real answer is.
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    Im an adult my friend, no need to be condescending...go do your own research on the hidden inflation that is now coming to the surface. I will not argue...its NOT just my wife and I and our shopping its everywhere..I was making a simple point with our shopping..have a nice day
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    This is also a good read as far as my position and is a fair article, certianly not from a GOP friendly source
    and its an older article..so now put higher gas prices in and logic tell us its going to get much worse..'


    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/37427
  28. Disappear idot

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    What is the whole quote?
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    so lets follow logic..Obama wants higer gas prices to push his green agenda to bankrupt coal as the idiot Obama wants us to plug in a Volt ( to higher elctricity rates( coal fired electricity of all things ..amazing )caused by cap and trade, as he invests our money in solar and picks winners and losers..and punishes Co's here in the USA and of course the ensuing inflation or even worse deflation..
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    Barack Obama: "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket and I am from Kenya and a Muslim, I used to go by the name Barry Sotero,.LOL
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  31. Bagelstein High Exalted Mystic Führer

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    I am all for banning Travis at this point
  32. Disappear idot

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  33. Disappear idot

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    Again, what is the whole quote? Perhaps you have found out that in context it would contradict your whole point that Obozo wants higher gas prices? Someone who advocates alternative energy sources wants to decrease energy prices, not increase them.

    But black marxist muslim kenyan usurper orly taitz
  34. Bagelstein High Exalted Mystic Führer

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    Travis is the reason I think voting should have a weighted system based on intelligence.
  35. Disappear idot

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    True, that would give third parties a fighting chance (Dems and Repubs would lose 75% of their voting base).
  36. Travis Junior Member

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    The feeling is mutual.. but you sure did look good in that Hope and Change t-shirt!!!
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  37. Travis Junior Member

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    The problem is not technical, and the problem is not sufficient mastery of the legislative intricacies of Washington.
    The problem is can you get the American people to say this is really important and force their representatives to do the right thing? That requires mobilizing a citizenry. That requires them understanding what is at stake, and climate change is a great example.
    When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal…under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket…even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad, because I’m capping greenhouse gasses, coal power plants, natural gas…you name it…whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retro-fit their operations.
    That will cost money…they will pass that money on to the consumers. You can already see what the arguments are going to be during the general election. People will say Obama and Al Gore …these folks...they're going to destroy the economy.
    This is going to cost us 8 trillion dollars or whatever their number is. If you can’t persuade the American people that, yes, there is going to be some increase on electricity rates on the front end, but that over the long term, because of combinations of more efficient energy usage and changing light bulbs and more efficient appliances, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy that the economy will benefit.
    If we can’t make that argument persuasively enough, you can be Lyndon Johnson. You can be the master of Washington. You’re not gonna get that done.
  38. Bagelstein High Exalted Mystic Führer

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    "but that over the long term, because of combinations of more efficient energy usage and changing light bulbs and more efficient appliances, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy that the economy will benefit."

    Key part of quote left out and not bolded.

    Travis he is basically talking about people like you. Saying how they need to be able to convince simple and short-sighted people that there would be initial costs, but the long term benefits will outweigh those greatly.
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    Gee wiz master of the obvious..I think we know what the bamboozle is that hes trying to run.. and let me guess you believe him?
    I agree we must have a weighted vote..
  40. Disappear idot

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    Thanks!
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  41. Travis Junior Member

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    Yes...lightbulbs!!!!!!! thats what thousands who wont have jobs in the coal industry will need to go buy first!!! LOL.. I knew you would enjoy that!!! and the millions who will pay more for electricity... its all part of the Global Warming agenda.. and who Obama needs higher oil prices...its all one big puzzle and each is a piece of the mosaic of Obamas plan to make sure oil stays high..
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    No offense but you have to be a complete moron (which I guess most Fox News viewers fall under) to believe Obozo was saying -- in a political speech where his aim was to get elected -- that under his plan, energy prices would skyrocket necessarily. In context, the opposite is true. It doesn't necessarily mean prices haven't skyrocketed, but you claim that a politician running for higher office would actually mean to say he wants prices to skyrocket and is basically that 'if you vote for me, prices will be higher.'

    I mean, it's political suicide, so that right there shows you're (or whatever Fox personality is pushing this narrative is) full of shit.

    Again, no offense intended, as I like you as a person. I just think you need to start thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating what some talk radio personality pulls out of his ass.
  43. Disappear idot

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    You haven't explained yet why Obozo wants higher electricity prices and higher oil prices. Politicians who want either tend not to get elected anyway.
  44. Travis Junior Member

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    find out who was funding Obama..listen to the speach..its his exact words.. if anyone ever did any vetting on Obama would anyone have voted for him?...it was all snake oil..think about how much money he had to defeat Hillary.. He is all about punishing the establisment and redistribution of wealth.. so yea...I take him at his word.. and this was supposed to be the campanion piece to Global Warming..another hoax..think about it. to most of Obama voters these are "punish the man" issues and plays to his base..big bad energy companies..it sounded great to his base, but in reality these policies are disaster that even hurt some in his voting block..
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    This thread is nonsense. Travis--your posts in this thread come off as nothing more than unfounded, illogical paranoid delusional rambling. It's pretty clear that you're unwilling to engage in generally accepted principles of intelligent debate. I think I sufficiently explained the standards of this board in my PMs to you. If you don't think you can handle it, don't post here anymore.
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