Discussion in 'Political/Religious' started by Travis, Mar 2, 2012.
Yep. Typically highest in the spring/summer and lower in the winter.
PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PRICE OF GAS AND REFUSING TO USE LESS OF IT
what is that creature
Gas has been steadily fluctuating between $3.50 and $3.95 here for like two years now. Insert obligatory stupid nigger president not doing anything like a typically stupid nigger comment here.
Gas prices here are around $5.00 atm, but you don't hear me crying like a little bitch.
looks like some testicles photoshopped onto an eagle
That, boys, is a so called Penis Vulture (Gymnogyps Mentula)
Don't care LOL
I don't care either, since I haven't paid for gasoline in over a decade (company car)
do you all really think that higher oil prices are only about gasoline prices? welcome to inflation!!.. but Obama has this all rigged that he is reaping the benefits of Bushes policies and we will see the damage of Obama's insane policies years down the road, much like Obamacare. and for the record gas prices have never been this high so early in the spring.
I care, I drive, I drive a lot, and have trucks on the roads which will eat in to profitabality or raising of rates
this hurts us common folk and is a hidden tax on all.
I thought Liberals were the mushy " we care for the common folk and all"... so you dont care, because it doesn't effect you? well it does, it manifests itself in many ways as far as the cost of all goods and welfare of a company's solvency.
Are you insane?
yes Bernie will have some head scratchin coming.. QE III? lol
The point is that what you are talking about and inflation are not the same at all. Not even on the same planet.
And you know he was appointed by Bush, right?
He does now
Not a knock, I think Bernanke is great. But people associating him with Obama is pretty lol.
Of course.. and we could debate if he doing the right or wrong thing.. I liked Greenspan at the time, but history will be the judge..
Huh? my point is again simple.. the cost of oil brings the prices of commodities and transportation up, so even if you dont drive you will still pay more for just about everything... thats inflation and is part of "the rising cost of oil" so its not a matter if "one actually drives themselves"
Right and none of us here know that
did I mention Bernie? I certainly didnt.. Im not sure Id say he is "great" but thats another debate..
didn't you say " You didnt care, doesn't effect you? my simple point was about empathy and that it does effect you.
My, oh my. I am going to injure myself from facepalming.
Most modern economists believe that inflation is, as Milton Friedman said, "always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon." We use modern active monetary policy to control the money supply and therefore inflation. The CPI, which measures inflation, includes a lot of things besides gas/oil, which is why despite rising fuel costs our inflation is basically zero, and there hasn't been a statistically significant correlation between oil prices and inflation for several decades.
Tell me a product in the grocery that his not risen..due to the cost of transportation or packaging. simple question
I don't know, I haven't examined all the products in the grocery. Moreover, even if i did, it would be nearly impossible to determine the causes of every single price increase.
look at core inflation
Ok, read the next section:
I commend you for actually posting a legitimate study, though.
me and my wife do, and prices are going up quickly..companies have to answer to their stock holders and they will pass that cost onto the consumer.. nothing new there
Look at the date of the article.. trust me, its going up
So you linked me to an empirical study that has done seriously sophisticated statistical analysis on its variables, concluded that there is not a statistically significant relationship, and your argument against this is "trust me, it's wrong"
looks pretty stable to me, bud
my point is that we are about to enter uncharted territory, we wont have the stats for some years.. but everyone is feeling it with their wallet. when gas hits 5 bucks over the summer if not higher , it will be in everyones face, nobody will be able to miss it. forget about inflation, many Co's will just close up.
we have never had gas prices this high this ealry in the Spring, so I dont truly see how any stats are valid, but inflation is here..
Let's say gas prices do cause an increase on a very large portion of transported goods. I don't think its too unreasonable of a premise, but as I work in production I would take a good guess that most companies are changing their transportation practices and increasing efficiency in order to mitigate this cost. BUT REGARDLESS, how exactly is this inflation? I understand prices are increasing over a broad spectrum, but changes in currency supply and increasing costs aren't necessarily related just because they have a similar outcome. I would say the primary difference between the two is taht raising oil prices does NOT effect all goods and services equally. Therefore, if anything, rising oil prices will lead towards increased use of substitutes (like increased efficiency of vehicles or alternate shipping methods) which is beneficial towards the economy because it makes everything more efficient. This is a classic competitive model, the GOP should be all about letting prices go as they may.
Prices should go as they may. If there is a true supply/demand shock that is driving the price of oil up, efforts to mitigate the costs of rising energy, as you said, are simply methods of transferring the costs elsewhere. The only way the US government could "control" this would be to enforce regulations in a dramatically unprecedented way, which is not what we want.
I'd also like to point out that some of the information here seems to be misleading. The price of oil has gone down quite significantly in the last month
Even a month ago we weren't even at 1/2 the peak price in '08.
Holy crap I just reread through some of Travis' posts. This is a joke account, its got to be. No one can honestly post a study, say its wrong, and them cite their afternoon trip to the grocery store as counter evidence. Travis, you've used the word "statistics" a few times in this thread, do you even have an inkling of wtf that word means??
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LOL. I guess this nigtarded fool doesn't even realize that A) we use far less gas than we have in a LONG time, and B) we now export more than we import.
BUT IT'S TOTALLY OBAMA'S FAULT WE DON'T DRILL MORE.
Here's a flying clue kiddo: Gas is up, because oil is up. Oil is up because of Wall Street speculators that you're too pussified to go after.
Still very high. Granted, even at this price, we should only have ~2.5-3 dollars a gallon, but still.
The irony, as others have pointed out, is that folks like Travis who complain the loudest about how high energy prices are destroying the economy are adamant against cap and trade policies, CAFE standards, appeasement of Iran, and sustainability initiatives. Add the fact that they are against banning speculation and SUVs and it's just more proof they don't really care and can afford to pay more at the pump.
I don't understand why conservatives oppose cap and trade policy. It's a free market solution to a serious problem--by far the best way to deal with industrial emissions.
Because the redneck southern GOP base doesn't know anything about cap and trade except that the term "capping" sounds like the government enforcing price regulations on things. They don't research anything more than this.
I remember when Romney, in a ludicrous attempt to pander to these people, made the asinine statement that "it's not America-warming, it's global-warming." He actually backed cap-and-trade until then. Most of the GOP did til their base became more and more retarded and brainwashed by anti-green sentiment within the conservative media.
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