The Price of Gasoline in the USA and Obama's policies

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  1. Travis Junior Member

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    Why would he want high gas prices? I thought he wants to be reelected.

    Also I think the article presents a strawman by presenting Chu's comments out of context and without explanation. Chu understands that nothing USA can do will lower gas prices, so a quixotic attempt to lower them would be pointless. Especially for a president trying to get reelected.
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    IMO, I dont agree.. this is a systematic attack on the US public for social re-engineering, and us being forced to buy smaller cars and to fund Obamas green energy boondoggle..

    Obama knows he wont be re-elected, he is a trojan horse and will take the fall , but further the liberal cause with fouling up American tradiitional values and way of life.
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    Andrew Breitbart's ghost posting from Travis' account
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    There is much Bush did to bring oil online and we are seeing that today, sadly Obama who voted against all of it today had the audactiy to take credit for Bushs decisions and in the next breath do everything possible to make sure we dont produce more , aka Keystone and drilling permits.

    so if Bush didnt do anything or worked to destroy the oil industry like Obama has done , we think that also would not effect prices and supply?
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    LOL.. Andrew had balls of steel, mine are made of flesh..I liked Andrew, he was cool with me
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    That editorial is absurd. And the idea that Obama wants higher gas prices is completely ludicrous. No sitting president wants higher gas prices, especially in an election year. What are you going to tell us next? Obama's a Muslim Socialist Marxist Redistributionist One Man Terrorist Sleeper Cell?
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    USA could drill for all the oil it wanted and it wouldn't do a thing to lower gas prices; the middle east, where the world gets a lot of cheap, efficiently-extracted oil, will just decrease production. Obozo understands this and has said recently that this is not a problem we can drill our way out of, and anyone who tells you we can is lying or doesn't know what they're talking about.
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    Have you ever listened to Obama, this is what he has said all along. You better attach a sail to your car if its "American sized" and to that point Obama will get many of us killed having to buy "fiats" to tangle with trucks on our highways..

    find out about Chu
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    dammit now i have that song stuck in my head
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    everybody was Kung Chu Fighting...those cats were fast as lightening...LOL
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  13. Travis Junior Member

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    ^ is that part of Obama "Algea for Fuel" innitiative? : )

    DOOOHHHH
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    I...don't really know where to begin with this.

    Just a logical point--not taking action to lower gas prices is not the same as "wanting" higher gas prices. Glad we got that out of the way.

    Now, a question I asked you in the GOP thread which you did not answer--do you have any idea how little control the president has over the control of gas prices? Hardly any. Gas prices, like the prices of all commodities, are influenced by two things: supply and demand. There is very little any single person can do to influence demand. It's really a function of, as I said before, the strength of the global economy. In other words, when the economy is good, people are investing more in capital-intensive projects, and the price of oil goes up. What people do have control of is supply. Namely OPEC--Saudi Arabia and some of their buddies--the world's most successful cartel in history. The US president is not an influence on OPEC's output targets. Now you might be able to argue that the president is influencing supply by promoting or restricting domestic production. This is logically a sound point but its significance is vastly overplayed. Many people like to complain that if we had authorized drilling in Alaska our oil prices would be a lot lower. This isn't true if you look comparatively at global crude reserves. It would hardly put a dent in the price of gas. If anyone "controls" prices, it's the Middle East, not us. And since Obama has been doing everything in his power to appease the Middle East, I doubt they're inflicting any punitive measures because of him.

    This simply doesn't make sense. Social re-engineering? Higher gas prices hit the working class the hardest, since they have to spend proportionally more of their income on it. As for smaller cars and such, I don't really think that is a relevant complaint. There are surely a lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum who wouldn't mind driving smaller cars. If you recall this is not a new issue by any means.

    Actually, if you have been following politics at all, almost everyone expects it will take a miracle for him NOT to get reelected. Most people tend to think that he has been holding back on furthering liberal causes in his first term, much to the ire of many.

    See my point before. Though in principle I agree, the difference would be very marginal and insignificant.

    This grammar is so bad I'm not really sure what is being said.

    There are fairly strict safety standards for most cars out there on the road. This seems to be point of taste and I'm not really sure what it means in terms of Obama except that you like having a big truck (to compensate?) and he wants people to drive smaller cars, which they should for a variety of reasons.
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    innitiative
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    i lol'd
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    Me too...LOL... I gave up on the Unicycle to not compensate..plus my taste in food was more then gas..so I went back to the SUV and am waiting for Obama to buy me a new car..
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    But domestic production is at an 8 year high, so (and I know you were not actually making this argument yourself) so the only influence that can be attributed to the Obama administration when it comes to domestic production is that he's INCREASED it, not restricted it.

    (edited for clarity)
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  21. Technetium a 12-year-old girl showing her tits on stickam

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    inb4 he thinks you're a liberal that is voting for Obama.
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  22. wilcaz lying on the sofa of life

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    Great point.
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  23. Travis Junior Member

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    Ummm... again all of that increase is contributed by policies of Bush.. none of it from Obama..
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    How do you know that?
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    Im a Hillary Clinton Dem... and a big fan of John Edwards, we all got hosed when he couldnt run..
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    > 2012
    > Implying politicians aren't all the same
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    By the way, this is the best break down I've seen of what's actually causing the surge in oil prices.

    The primary point being, it's got less than nothing to do with the Obama administration and is completely out of their control. This is what they call an unmitigated fact.
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    Yes. This is exactly the point I've been trying to drive home.
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    It's becoming clear that you might as well try to nail fucking jello to a wall.
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    But thats simply not true, there is much we can do to bring the price down and much of it comes from the Whitehouse.
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  36. NikTh Do you know the way out?

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    Such as?
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  39. milky going to invert...

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    a breif massage from the hire-ups: thank you KNH four pointing out the spelling misteaks in this thread
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  41. kirksnosehair Disappeared into my Nostrils

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    FINALLY, you have acknowledged the truth. No one here has denied that some of Bush's policies have contributed to our current level of oil production, but you have continued to deny that Obama's policies have had anything to do with it, until now.

    From the piece you just posted above:

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    oh, you.... :lol
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    what are you saying? you said "but you have continued to deny that Obama's policies have had anything to do with it, until now." -??? Obama's policies are raising the price.. is that not resonating with you?
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    our foreign consumption is down because Obama has killed the economy.. so yes his policies have lowered dependance, we are not using as much oil PERIOD....so whats your point again? Im lost..and you are quoting Obama's lies.. so am I to believe Obama?
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    If you recall the recession began when Bush was in office. Just sayin.

    I'm not saying his policies had anything to do with it either, though.
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  46. Travis Junior Member

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    it began when Pelosi and Reid got in power.. the first 6 years were pretty good considering we had the worst attack on America with 9/11...the misery index bears that out
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    so let me get this straight Obama zelots claim he can't bring down the price of oil but today Obama is touting that Bushs policies brought it down with increased capacity and today Obama is out saying he did the same thing as he voted against everything Bush did, and today he is saying his policies are as good, when they are horrible and we will be squeezed more when he repeals alot of what Bush did that he said worked..HOLY F. and he killed the Keystone Pipeline and the oil will go to China.. yea...that will help..

    can you imagine if Bush was Obama, we would havee 12 dollar a gallon gas TODAY...we already have 5 dollar gas today,

    Thats how the President does control to extrent what the price will be today and in years to come.
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    Obama is Bush though. What they've actually done since being in office are almost indistinguishable.

    Also since you look like you're going to continue to ignore everything I and others have said in this thread about the way oil markets work, the factors that drive its price, and the effect of US production on that price, I'm out. You are confusing correlation with causation on a dramatically ignorant scale.
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    I simply dont agree..I know about the oil markets and speculation and how we buy it in dollars and the weak dollar effect, but nothing will change what is simple logic to me..

    on another note, have a nice night and its fun to talk about this stuff..
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    I doubt anyone here is an Obama zealot (or for this discussion, "zelot"). wilcaz is a Romneyfag and I'm an ex-Obozo supporter who gave up on him for being too capitalistic and Bush-like.

    Just because we are defending King Putt from your asinine assertions doesn't mean we like the guy. But at least rip on him for shit he's actually responsible for.
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