Yeah, your best best is to just find a good overall strategy, especially in the leagues we are in. Fine tune that and then move on from there. Also, macro better.
Macro isn't always the answer, here is a post referring to a few replays I posted in the Terran Help Me thread on TL. But macro is often the issue.
^that's the thing. I outmacro all of my opponents, but its knowing what units to build and when I should go in for the kill etc. I lost to a +2 7gate blink all in yesterday. I pushed him back and ended up staying on 140 supply because I didnt know what to do because he'd taken a third and blink stalkers are so efficient. Looking back on the replay if I'd maxed on roaches at that point I would have crushed him. My strategies involve massing one unit and if that doesnt work, teching to GGlords and winfestors.
I dunno. Scout more? I've been winning lately, especially against Terran, because I am sending in an obs and if they have a huge bio ball teching to templar behind my stalker/zealot push.
Man fuck MLG's new system. This quality blows but there's no way I'm paying to watch in better quality when all the other tournaments have it for free. I mad about them blocking two out of the four streams to non-premium viewers as well
remember to set it to medium. i have gold so i can't really comment. MKP is a fucking god. His control is so impressive, it really evokes a lot of BW esque tricks.
Oh shit! The top right corner told me that only premium members could watch higher than low. I guess I read it wrong. Thank you.
@ppl who have played/watched BW, is this guy right? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321242
essentially yes but its a bit more complicated than a yes/no Also GSL are using Undaunted by Amob as an intro track
Yeah I skimmed through most of the article. Seems to make sense though. The whole economy on this game is about whether you can take your 3rd or not. ZvP practically revolves around that atm. Just listen to these bitches I wish I was a BW pro
Klonere do you mind giving me a brief rundown of how the GSL works? Or is it too complicated to do that? I've never followed it and don't understand what this Code S Round 32 Day 1 stuff is.
Sorry, hotlinking images is not allowed. Edit: nevermind, i was able to find the image you tried to link.
I remember downloading Omnium Gatherum's album and hearing this: I was driving and then suddenly I felt like some nerds were about to start fucking each other up.
I just got beat by a 20+ rax terran. Pretty sure he was smurfing. His macro was perfect and it was constant multi pronged attacks. Edit: Yep, rank 1 diamond on his old account. Mass marine > infestor
Isn't that more for protoss rather than zerg. I don't have the time to watch it now. The whole problem I have with toss is that if I don't beat them by 15 minutes, it's very hard to win. I'm too scared to tech to brood because the deathball could move out at any time, and I'm not confident enough to beat it with roach infestor corruptor. Atm I'm just roach ling all inning.
I think as soon as P figures out how to hold an early third, the next meta will be 14 minute brood lords. Klonere I don't know which I should be looking at. APM or EAPM. I was under the impression 120 APM is considered slow for pros, or something around that number?
EAPM is an approximation of effective actions in the game,removing "spam". APM is simply every action regardless effectiveness. Here is some random pro APM/EAPM graph for reference
So I started playing random and I quit everytime I'm Terran. my Zerg is high plat/low dia. Toss I thought was silver/gold but I'm beating people comfortably(struggling with PvP though because I want to make phoenix work ). Terran I have no fucking idea. I'm going to learn hellion marauder all in for TvZ. TvT I try 1-1-1 but I don't know a proper build order yet. I'll probably just learn 1-1-1 for TvP as well so I get better at it faster. On a side note, i fucking love PvZ. Its weird though because 20% of the games I get 1 base all inned. I'd say against FFE, only half of them take an early third. Nobody roach spams luckily, although I havent tried to take a fast third. Don't feel safe until I have 8 sentries and 2-3 immortals out. Forcefields are so much fun though. Not sure how to use them against lings but any roaches get put in the Box of Pain™. I think Im about to give up going ultras in ZvT. I feel like I can't attack with them because the tanks just destroy my lings and banes and I'm left with 5 ultras against a lot of marines. Everyone just turtles up.
TvP is the worst fucking matchup ever, no matter win or lose. Their is no joy in it at all. Really hindering my laddering
enjoy it while it lasts is all I can say TvZ is still amazing to play, so many openings, styles, micro and shit to do in general.
Early game isn't the problem, although 3 gate blink and 4 gate warp prism are annoying as hell. Any other all-in can be deflected by mass bunkers and repair. Its when I see tosses go 15 Nexus on these new huge maps that I lose hope and if I can't inflict any damage to them with my first push I feel completely lost as they can just get whatever tech they went and then I have to vastly outplay them to win in late-game. Protoss is just bad designed and anti-fun race really.
^Currently, I agree with you. The main problem I have is that I don't see any reason a protoss should ever attack until they reach t3 tech, which just promotes boring gameplay.When I play PvT, I just 1 gate expo(maybe I should start going 15 nex?) and turtle with sentry zealot because forcefields are so good early game. No robo bay because collosi are so easily countered. Observers around critical airspace(acting as expensive overlords basically) and its fine. I just max out on zealot archon I would love to see SC2 reach the level that Alive vs Nestea, Cloud Kingdom, did where neither reached t3 and it was constant attacking and defending.Zergs are lucky they get GGlords and Winfestors to counter the stupid 2-3 base turtle style of play.. Edit: Omg PvZ I just tried the 10gate that was posted on TL. So easy. to win. This build is going to piss me off so much as Z because I ignore gases at this level and thats the only way to scout it unless the P is stupid enough to put all of their gates together. Klonere - how did you learn T? Did you drop a league when you learned it? I only watch the foreign tournaments but it seems like they are always biased towards zerg and I don't see when to add more infastructure. As I'll be playing plat players I'm thinking I should just learn all ins until I get the mechanics up to plat.
Yeah the design of protoss is just fucking retarded really. Its a pity because every matchup not involving them is compelling in some way and are developing towards BW esque levels of entertaiment. That 10gate sounds like the most obnoxious allin ever, thank god I don't play Zerg anymore. Yeah that is pretty much what I did, dropped from Plat Zerg to Silver and now Gold Terran. Learn solid build orders I'd say, best way to build mechanics as Terran really but mixing in all-ins is something I have to do more. Your APM will almost certainly have to rise from where its currently at to play macro terran at any level really. Start using F keys as well.
The only way I see to make it better is making (some) protoss units slightly cheaper, or making them slightly better. Their main harrass unit(zealot) is melee so it's probably better reducing the cost. idk though I'm not GM. I don't see a way for protoss to deny expansions.I don't see a wayfor Protoss to effectilely pressure. Then again, I don't see how Z can pressure without mutas Another problem - Map makers making "macro maps" aka easy 3rds. I vetoed shattered as Z because FFE is too hard to play against as 2 base zerg, but I wouldnt mind 3rd with a larger distance to balance it or promote 1/2 base all-ins other matchups. If this game wants to survive as an E-sport it can't just be about macro games imo. I don't mind mixing all ins. The amount of times I mess about(all-in) my opponents is what makes it fun. That's how I get the most BM anyway
Hmm, do you think we could change the title of this thread to Heart of the Swarm. The title has been known since before the release of Wings of Liberty.
I may or may not have watched that live and am a huge fan of Lastshadow, you should check out his stream here: http://www.twitch.tv/imls I've seen him do the build lots on stream and always thought it was gimmicky as fuck but seeing Day9 explain it made it seem a lot more solid
RIDICULOUS match from MLG Spring Arena that was so damn good that MLG put it on youtube for all non-paying people to see
Did they remove the shitty matchmaking system yet? I keep getting stuck against golds. One thought I was GM and one was shocked at how imbalanced zerg is because I beat his 10 minute, 1 base marine tank all in(2 tanks 20 marines) with lings only. inb4 thinly veiled 'I can beat gold players' brag Went from rank 60 something to rank 3 plat today 21 wins - 11 losses because 50% of my games were ZvP
50% of my SC2 is spent on mafia, shame I'm on EU or I could play with you guys. We play with PM off here (seems like town always wins with PM on)
I haven't played in several months. What's PM? Also do you guys usually play pub games or do you go to the mafia channel?
