Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions' started by Spyral2112, Apr 13, 2010.
tell us more about how you love having thal as an admin
thal if you've really "stepped in" due to necessity as you say you should be taking care of the spammy shit in all these new threads man what are you doing.
LUCK RUNS OUT-AH
I can definitely tell you he's not having his annual power trip.
These spammy threads seem lighthearted and don't seem to involve much trolling. No real point in stepping in at this point in these threads. If it's necessary I will. Like I said, I don't want to use the red card (or yellow card) unless it seems necessary. The reason I redcarded Ogre was because, as far as myself and the mods I was talking to at the time, it seemed to be intentionally trying to start a shitstorm. These threads, while the aftermath, aren't a shitstorm, are they?
Wasn't me, nor did I report it, nor did she care about it.
STOP PISSING ON MY FUN FUCK
you are still susceptible to trolling it seems
That's cool. Can we have less spammy threads locked from now on, then? It's always been an annoyance to me whenever I find a fun, lighthearted, possibly unsubstantive thread/topic and start posting in it and enjoying myself, only to have the thread closed and my fun taken away within the first few posts.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Fine by me dood. I'm all for lightening up - it's only when things get to a personal/grudge type level that I get bothered. Honestly, if you guys are cool with it, give me a week to show you that I'm up to handling this maturely, efficiently, and most of all consistently. A lot has changed in two years, especially stuff that was previously considered a problem re: the meds stuff. Turns out my meds were actually making me worse, go figure. Doctor fail. Anyway, that's another story another time. I'd like to at least show to you guys by doing, not by telling, that I'm not as bad as people think I am, and even if I step down after a week, it is what it is. I'm not on a power trip, I'm not power hungry. I just want to do my part to help out.
I WILL MOD AS WELL
You did lose pretty much everyone's trust here, and appear to still be untrusted. The only reason that you're even in the position you're in right now is likely solely due to antipop and blackcat calling all the shots. I'd say it's safe to say that if those two weren't in "power", you'd never be in any administrative position here. I have no idea how you plan to overcome that kind of opposition, or if you're even planning to do so. Of course, if you're not planning to do so, I'd have a hard time believing you care even the slightest amount about the community here that has been the centerpiece and backbone of this forum.
Anyway, whatever happens, I'm probably gonna stay on these forums until whenever I want, but I strongly suggest you unban ogre and make amends with him as soon as possible.
its been reversed for a while now.... Thal told me it was part of an inside joke thing that carried over from another thread...
I'd say you're both right and wrong about the trust - there seem to be plenty of people here who trust me just fine, and that's not just the mod staff. It seems almost entirely to be most of the IRC crew that doesn't trust me - but I do have to say the IRC crew has been around for a long time and is heavily involved and throwing that aside is unreasonable at best. It's a small portion of the overall user base with regards to sheer numbers, but it is a very tight core portion. I can not and will not discount the involvement of that core group.
I do plan to overcome the opposition. How? Well, that remains to be seen, but I certainly will try. Needless to say if I don't overcome the majority of the opposition I'll cede without argument. As I said, at this point I stepped in simply to pick up the slack. What happens next, we'll see.
I understand your position on Ogre, but please try to understand mine. I've explained it several times, but for the sake of completeness for anyone else reading this I'll explain it again here. The issue between him and I started a very long time ago. Yes, we'd made amends and then shit got crazy again, and the process repeated a few times. Shit happens, you move on and that's that. I'd be willing to make peace with him if he's willing to make peace with me, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case; he wants things his way or the highway - and if I'm wrong about that, I'd gladly talk to him, and provided he's civil about it I'll be civil as well. If he's not, the conversation will be over and that's that.
Regarding me banning him, I was trying to avoid a giant mess - what ensued afterward realistically is probably similar to what would have ensued if it were handled differently. The fact is, it was handled the way it was handled. That can always be reviewed, and it will, but consider the following: what happened almost immediately after the ban was a direct denial of service attack, and due to the timing I made an obvious connection - but freak coincidences happen and I'm well aware of that. Bottom line, if I see something like that on my network I immediately add drop rules on the perimeter firewall - shoot first, ask questions later - note that I'm talking specifically about the network attack, not about any personal issues. Due to the high volume of traffic it's hard to isolate where a distributed attack is coming from, so I naturally didn't mess about with firewall rules. As I've said elsewhere I have almost no way to prove my suspicion due to the distributed nature of the attack, so after this I'm going to let it go. On top of that the attack has subsided, so that's done and done in my book.
I have a feeling I'm missing something, but I'm tired and probably should hit the hay. If I think of it I'll post it for sure.
So has a decision been reached on the subject of me modding?
Bacon> Sam > Thal > Blackcat > Antipop (because he might as well not even be an admin)
Plus, I think Thal "gets it" more than most other mods do.
Like he said earlier, if a spam thread is lighthearted and just fun he'll keep it open, he doesn't wanna give out infractions unless he has to, etc.
If he stays true to that (lol Ogre) then I'm personally fine with it. Sure is no Vizui/Elmo/Blackcat/ etc etc.
I will say, about Ogre, I will be re-evaluating my decision tomorrow and will post the decision here. Personally, I don't think he'll be banned for a month. While I'm sure some members would like that, I think a month is excessive.
You're all really fucking bad moderators, I don;t see how he could be all that much worse.
I could still be modding.
I prefer you to Vizui
LV what makes you continue to post on these forums? serious question
I'm unemployed and have nothing to do with a lot of time past 4 or 5, when I can no longer look for jobs and most of my friends are busy with their jobs and such. Lol, why do you ask?
Mathboy - to add a bit to my previous post that addressed your question. My biggest goal right now is to help find a middle ground moderation wise that keeps the majority of posters happy. Naturally some people will bitch, but you have to do the best that you can. The problem that's been arising lately is a lack of consistency - sometimes things would be acted on harshly, sometimes things wouldn't be acted on at all. I want to figure out a plan that (hopefully) will work, put that into action, and of course refine over time until there's a moderation routine that fits and works nicely... I strongly believe it can be done if the entire moderation staff really gets together and figures things out. I've been lurking around a lot lately and just watching and taking note of complaints as well as moderator actions and I have a few ideas up my sleeve. We'll see if they work - I'm really hoping they do. This place, despite being a mini 4chan at times, is a great place. It has great people, it just needs to be handled appropriately for the people that inhabit it.
Heh, I'm not crying at all dude. You've chilled out, but you still suck bro. I don't really care as you've stopped actually acting on said suckiness. Saying you don;t like something isn't always QQ, and that ain't how it is ITT bro.
I guess it seemed kinda weird to me, as you seemed to dislike most things and people on the forum and appeared to very rarely mesh well and amiably with other posters. Basically a "what in the world do you have to gain from posting here?" kind of curiosity.
Ok, LV.. I'll feed the troll for once. Why do I suck?
oh look, more drama stuffs around Thal.
Shut the fuck up, 5/8, you fucking pussies. I didn't even notice anything until you pieces of shit started talking about how bad things are (protip: They aren't and go outside and play frisbee or talk to a stranger or fucking something you boring fucks)
Vizui, one of the reasons that you suck is because you pointlessly close threads on a consistent basis.
OH IT SEEMS THE OP'S QUESTION WAS ANSWERED, ILL CLOSE THIS. SURELY WE SHOULDN'T LEAVE IT OPEN SO OTHER PEOPLE CAN ASK QUESTIONS OR GAIN INSIGHTS FROM IT, OR POSSIBLY ADDRESS A TANGENTIAL DISCUSSION, I'LL JUST CLOSE IT BECAUSE IVE DEEMED IT A CASE-CLOSED.
Nah dude, you just see me in GD. In Music/Musician's discussion I get along with people really well, and I do in GD usually. I just dislike certain people and let them know it openly, so you see clashing in open forums, but I have plenty of friends and people I talk to outside of the forum on various mediums.
Lol, really? In my opinion, it's just sort of your haste and judgement. You don't feel things out very well, you just sort of go by the book, maybe because you're new to moderation and you're just trying to do your job. But look at tonight, all these SPAM threads and personal attacks and racial slurs that have transcended into a fun time, which is what this shit's all about son. If this was like, say a week ago you'd have infracted like 5-6 people, closed two or three threads and generally have "not got it".
But I don't really have anything against you, you just need to chill the fuck out dude. I like where the forum is now, it was just really bad a couple of weeks ago when everyone was getting banned, infractions were going out like mad and threads were being closed left and right...I think it's fine now, and I'm not complaining. I'm just saying you guys are generally idiotic mods that act sporadically and inconsistently.
Alright well I'm not sure exactly where you're getting these. When have I shown that I would react like that? Did I show hasty judgement today? I haven't even given an infraction today. Did I not feel things out today? It doesn't make much sense.
I think you're referring to when the mod staff was trying to combat the usage of racial slurs by bringing the hammer down. Obviously that strategy failed. We tried it for a bit and it failed worse than St. Anger. All you're seeing now is the staff conforming to that failure.
Also I've given 1 infraction for N-word usage and it was used 6 times in the post... just to let you know.
Also consistent moderation is good for a regular message board, but for 5/8 the modding could only be how it is just because of how much rule-breaking is allowed. We are lenient so there are gaps in the consistency. It's just how it is. But its how the community wants it.
Oh I forgot that if you don't do all the things that compose a bad moderator on a daily basis it's not valid...Lol, bro you asked so I answered. I'm not going to go back and find all that shit, you can look for yourself if you care. Take what I said and think about it, or just ignore it I really don;t care.
You cared enough to point out that I'm a "sucky" moderator and now I'm the one who has to care enough to prove you wrong? Nah, it doesn't work that way 'bro'.
It does though. Everything I said was perfectly valid, all you did was say "I didn't do it today" as though that meant anything. You've pointlessly closed tons of threads, you've given out retarded infractions resulting in Bans (Chrono, Techun) and you just don't get it.
I haven't done most of the things you said and yet you still think just saying I've done them is valid. Fail at arguing more, LV. It makes it funnier for me.
Lol, I'm not trying to argue you stubborn little man, you are, you asked me a question and now you're being all defensive about it and asking me to go around and find your greatest hits or something. You close threads all the time, Chrono said that before I even said anything, and I think half of the infractions you give out are retarded. Those two things coupled together make me think that you must not get it, that's why you close threads that "aren't going anywhere", and that's why a lot of your infractions are for little things that might be offensive, but more likely aren't (like Chrono's and Techun's, respectively). I said you were getting better lately, did I not say that in my very first post? The other few posts that you've made me type out (because for fuck sakes, I have better things to do) is just me restating points in the first that you questioned, so either let it go and think you're a fantastic mod or think abut what I said instead of dismissing because...you "don't do that", even though I listed off two infractions that were retarded just off my head (it's not like I write this shit down) and we both know you close threads all the time. Again, I really don't give a shit if you're a good mod or not, however I think you are a bad one and will continue to vocalize it until I see consistent improvement. You're the one QQ'ing, not me, if you think I'm wrong then stop addressing my points (seriously, stop wasting my time, I really don't give a flying fuck I'm trying to help you ) and don't let it bother you, if you think I have a few points then take it in stride and work on said points. Either way, drop it and infract us both for spamming this thread.
LV, if you had come right out and said you don't like me as a person and I annoy you we could have been done at that. But instead you tried to state that I do things I don't feel that I do. It's not completely out of the question for me to ask you to point those things out for no other reason that I can see them and correct them. But you wont even do that. So what would you have me do? Just take your word for it? Please...
Lord Voldemort take my word for it, you are a pedophile.
If you're thinking that statement doesn't make sense it's because it doesn't.
Well this is all completely necessary.
The downsides of boredom... wasting time discussing inconsequential retardations.
Jesus H. Christ, really dude?
That's not the same thing, and I don't dislike you/you don't particularly annoy me as a poster.
I didn't just say "YOU'RE A BAD MOD" and leave it at that, I specifically stated a couple of cases of bad judgement that consequently got people banned and I said that you close threads a bit too much, a point that someone agreed with me on and is perfectly fair. I've thrown down like 3,000 words on this if not more. Some of your infractions and thread closures seem harsh and random, whereas sometime you let things go that is pretty objectively worse than something you infracted.
A good example lies in the threads made tonight, when people were just going off with slurs and few personal attacks and got away with it, yet you banned chrono for a week for saying something small about about Mexicans in a lighthearted thread and getting banned for a week and banned Techun for making a joke (that made pretty much everyone laugh) about black people and gay people in a lighthearted thread.
All of that is bad moderation. You've gotten a bit better lately. Now please, leave me alone, I'm trying to rub one off and you're making it really difficult.
this thread fucking sucks
along with the forum right now
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