Senate Approved Indefinite Detention And Torture of Americans

Someone needs to tell that person that sodomy also includes blow jobs.

We had a good run, America.

Well, we had a run anyway.

So does this have anything to do with Bradley Manning, who is being held by the military without a trial and in solitary confinement (torture)? It just came to mind after watching this short German documentary on the leak.

I mean. Tangentially yeah. Manning is a hero.

Obama backed off of his intention to veto it because they expanded it to include American citizens, and reaffirmed the executive's right to do same. That dude's every bit the worthless piece of filth that his dip-shit predecessor was.

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Yea, there's been so much bullshit recently that it's becoming the norm...

But is Obama really not vetoing this? :/ wtf

The fuck is that he's an asshole. He was only going to veto it because it didn't give him the sole authority to apply it to US citizens.

As for the SCOTUS, I can't see a much more egregious act than denying due process to American citizens, so it seems like a slam dunk. However, this particular court really doesn't have much use for due process. I could certainly see this being a very close decision.

Kind of like how the only reason he won't nuke Iran is because it will ruin his chances of getting head from the Ayatola amirite?

Actually, given that one's a pussy and the other seems to have a pair, I suspect that Obama would be the one giving.

I like where this is headed

it's hilarious hwo the people most desperate to nuke iran are those that want to turn the us into a christian theocracy sorta like a WEST IRAN or something... i doubt they even have an idea what a nuke does

even muslims are humane enough to refrain from dropping nukes on people, but i'm not sure that's true about frantic-tic-tic-tic-tic-tic-tic-toc USA and their boyfriend Israel...

i hope iran gets a nuke soon so these pussies can shit their pants

What's so amazing to me is that all of those people firmly believe that we're free and Iran isn't. The only difference between us and them is that your average Iranian is smart enough to know he's getting fucked, while Billy Joe Jim-Bob holds onto some land of the free delusion.

i doubt that they have any idea what iran is like

yes, they are under a nasty muslim rule that hates women, disenters and homosexuals

but the warmonger crybabies hate women, homosexuals and different opinions too... tbh i'd rather have my chances in iran than with them, at least they are not dumb as fuck and and... they seem to be progressing instead of regressing... even with the muslim handicap

if christian conservative cunts had their way america would get into a regression it has never seen

Hearing about this on The Daily Show made me think of David Foster Wallace's "Just Asking":

Patriot Act on roids.

Remember Cuba? missiles pointed at each other in every direction, what happened? Diplomacy.

Now you have RUMORS (there are NO definite reports that say Iran has or are building a nuke) that Iran has mass destructive weapons, what does America do? Jump the gun and start talking about war.
You guys are looking at another Irak fiasco.

Twelve thousand diplomats, and the only thing the politicians think of is war.

It kills me that ONE DAY after we pulled out of Iraq, the Republican debate was focused on going to war with Iran.
STOP GOING TO WAR NO ONE LIKES IT

Ron Paul is Americas only hope...

The difference between the Cold War/Cuba Missile Crisis and Iran is... Iran's extremest (including Ahmadinejad) want to be martyrs so they don't give two shits if they push the button after/before the US does because they are still achieving something and in most cases two things (dying for a purpose and killing the westernized delusion) and Cuba/Russia... well, did not.

Nonsense. Ahmadinejad is no more insane or radical than the last dipshit who ran this country for 8 years, and if that asshole didn't nuke anybody, then I'm not at all concerned about Iran. Frankly, when it comes to starting wars of aggression, those guys might as well be the freaking Amish, compared to us.

And to be fair, while I think the guy's a genuine asshole, I don't think he's anywhere near as fucked up as the Western media would have us believe.

The man wants to eliminate the westernized world and that includes more than just the US.
He's an extremist and with that comes martyrdom even more so shahid. So basically, he doesn't give a fuck who he takes out as long as it follows the 'truth'.
I do somewhat agree with you about the western media but most Iranians think the guy is psycho too so the media can't really be THAT far off.


ps. As for 'wars of aggression', to extremist, it's more holy based.

For one thing, wanting to and willing to are two very different things. Plenty of people, including some far more radical than Mahmoud, have wanted to slaughter people but had the good sense not to. You think Chimpy wouldn't have nuked some people if he could have gotten away with it? And that dude was completely devoid of good sense.

Furthermore, I haven't seen anything in his ramblings that leads me to believe eliminating the Western world is high on his agenda. Truth be told, The Great Satan sounds very similar to Axis of Evil, insofar as diplomatic rhetoric goes. I'm aware that he wants to see Israel "wiped off the map," and in a general sense, I'm in complete agreement with him, and in that context needn't be a call to violence.

Lastly, martyrdom is usually seen at a personal level; not a national one. I'm having a hard time coming up with an example of when a national government has opted to sacrifice the whole damn game to spite their political enemies. Like them or not, this is a nation of 80 million, not the Persian chapter of the People's Temple.

Good post.

http://rt.com/usa/news/detention-legislation-torture-senate-891/

The president is issuing a signing statement with this. Even without it this would not allow for the torture and indefinite detention of American citizens.

Section: 1031(e) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out.

tell that to Bradley

Signing statements mean less than my desire to fuck Mila Kunis's brains out; marvelous idea, but completely worthless in practice. At best it reflects the presidents intentions regarding enforcement of the bill, but that's about as non-binding as it gets, and has no baring whatsoever on subsequent administrations. For one thing, Obama's stated intentions are usually full of shit anyway. Furthermore, does anybody really think that a President Bachman wouldn't expand the scope of the new powers because Obama said he wouldn't?

The president fought for and obtained the right to bust citizens without all that pesky habeus corpus nonsense getting in his way, and the idea that he says he won't use it means precisely dick to me.

Section: 1031(e) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

“The administration officials reviewed the draft language for this provision the day before our markup and recommended additional changes. We were able to accommodate those recommendations, except for the administration request that the provision apply only to detainees who are captured overseas. There is a good reason for that. But even here, the difference is relatively modest, because the provision already excludes all U.S. citizens. It also excludes all lawful residents of the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution. The only covered persons left are those who are illegally in this country or who arrive as tourists or on some other short-term basis, and that is a small remaining category, but an important one, because it includes the terrorists who clandestinely arrive in the United States with the objective of attacking military or other targets here.” - Sen. Levin

Also section 1024 requires all persons already being held indefinitely (like in the detention center in Parwan) shall have the right to a military lawyer and a proceeding before a military judge in order to contest the government's holding of them.

OHHH NOOOOOOOOOO WERE LOSING ALL OUR RIHGHTS ORON PAUL SAUVE USSSSS

Several things: One, the Feinstein amendment, what you're citing there, doesn't really do anything. First, nobody really knows what the existing law is regarding indefinite detention; look at Bradley Manning, or Yaser Hamdi. Furthermore, the word construed doesn't help, since that's only useful as a recommendation to the SCOTUS; the only authority to actually construe a law.

Second, it only applies to section 1031 which is only one of many troubling sections.

Perhaps most important, while everybody is concerned, and rightfully so, about indefinite detentions, nobody is paying attention to the fact that posse comitatus is effectively null and void. Fuck, even the Romans knew enough to keep the legions out of town.

Well I've already stated the exact language of the bill. This is stupid. Some people just want things to be true so bad. I'll just go back to thinking out nation doesn't want to indefinitely detain our citizens like the rest of the sheeple. Carry on.

Our floating turd of a president signed the bill today, despite "serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists." Tonight in Plains, Georgia, I'm willing to bet that Jimmy Carter used the phrase "fucking pussy" for perhaps the first time in his life.

So perhaps we can sleep a little better, Dickhead says: ""I want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation."

Aside from the fact that his word is pretty much worthless at this point, there's the matter of every subsequent president for ever and ever. This begs the very serious question of whether or not he's really that fucking stupid, or if he's just an asshole.

True, and even if you were to believe him, the door is left open for whatever president follows him.

The latter, obviously. It's his base that's stupid.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law/

Ron Paul, save us all!