Okay, I decided that seeing as I've now set some specific goals for my progress with this, I'm going to make a thread dedicated to it. You guys can care if you like, the advice and feedback would be appreciated Here's the deal: I want to get myself an apprenticeship as a tattoo artist, and learn the trade. In order for me to actually succeed in being offered to be trained, I need to learn to draw in a way which works as a tattoo. And I need to get fucking awesome at it. So I've set myself the preliminary target of 30 pieces of work, all of which have to be detailed and very finished, including blacklined and coloured if appropriate. Tonight I did two, and they took me about 3 hours each. That would be the minimum I'd be looking to do. And I'm hoping to do 2 or 3 of these a day if I have time. The idea is that at the end of this process, I will have gotten really good at things, however I'm happy to push the 30 target out to 60 or 100 if I feel I need it. When I'm happy, I'll start drawing pieces for a folio and then start looking for someone to take me on And so here are the first two: This one was drawn from a reference as I've never drawn fish before, AND I had no idea how to draw those japanese style waves. I don't think I quite nailed it but I'm going to revisit the koi design soon and try again. This was the reference: http://koifishtattoo.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/2006938951.jpg This one wasn't drawn from a reference, and I think it's pretty obvious on that level. It's also not nearly as detailed. I tried to simulate how the colour would look if I did actually do it, but i'm not sure how well that worked either. Also, too many sun-rays = the sky looking like the rays. Lesson learnt! Please be brutally honest in this thread, as I'm really kicking my ass over this. Also, most of the colour is added in Photoshop, but when I get some money I want to buy some more Pantone markers so I can actually do the colour on the paper, which will look more authentic.