Game of Thrones Thread (No Book Spoilers Allowed)

Np, in the future... I'm not even far into my reading, so I cant spoil shit. But will do going forward brudda.

I said I'd do it going forward. I'm not asking people to justify anything, but I don't see the problem with simply pointing out how silly it seems to me that people are worried about having shit spoiled from the books when they're watching a show that is by definition a giant spoiler for the whole series. I think it goes without saying that spoiling shit that hasn't happened yet in the show is wrong, but discussing how details vary between the show and the book regarding plot points that have already been revealed in the show seems less spoilery to me and IMO is a risk that viewers of the show incur by watching the show first. That's all, just stating an opinion. I'll gladly not spoil anything going forward.

Episode 2 had numerous changes from the book(s) which may have major implications further down the line. What did you guys think about them?

- No Shireen? Could this mean that the whole subplot about Greyscale in the books is just a red herring?
- Bronn is made Commander of the City Watch? Why? I don't think Tyrion would have been able to simply install some random mercenary as CoCW.
- Shae's hiding in Tyrion's quarters doesn't make any sense, at all.
- Jon witnesses how Craster "sacrifices" his son to the Others? I wonder where they are going with this.
- I think it was only implied in the books that Stannis was fucking Melisandre. I guess the "son" she was talking about will be the shadow?

Are you fucking kidding me?

It's pretty clear from the books that Stannis' wife is barren and he's pretty desperate to have an heir. Throughout the later books the people under his command refer to her as his 'real queen'.

Tyrion banishing Janos to the Wall was pretty fucking bad ass. The dialogue in the series is done so damn well.

"I'm not questioning your honor, I'm denying its existence."

I can't fix that spoiler tag fuck up but whatever

re: Craster:

Craster ends up dying later anyway, and is kind of integral to Lord Commander Mormont dying, so if they are intending to kill him off sooner then who knows what kind of problems that will create for them down the line

In the book, didn't

Davos swear by the Seven? Here he was talking like he didn't care for any of the gods whatsoever. Not sure that it's that important, but I kind of thought that was a big factor in him wanting to kill Melisandre

haha that one guy got snowballed by that ho with some other guy's jizz

Nah, it was mostly because of

a shit load of his sons dying during the Battle of Blackwater Bay.

Unsurprising.

Change name to devronius seaworth pls

Wasn't there talk about them renewing GoT for seasons 3 and 4? I thought they were going to turn A Storm of Swords into 2 seasons and film them back to back. Still, that's good news. There's stuff in the third book that will make for some great TV.

STorm of Swords and Feast of Crows happen more or less at the same time, so those will probably be combined in seasons 3 and 4 in order to not have entire plot lines ignored for long stretches of time.

I think it's more likely that we'll see Feast and Dance condensed into one season, at least I hope so, because there was a lot of boring shit with little payoff in those books.

If anyone has any sense Brienne will have at least half of her storyline cut out entirely. She does nothing relevant apart from the last chapter in Feast

Yeah I don't know where the fuck that storyline is going.

It's Feast and (the first two thirds of) Dance that happen simultaneously. Storm of Swords is chronologically prior to Feast, and the producers have said that they will most likely do them in two seasons as there's just too much to go through in 10 episodes.

I hear it is not possible to do A Storm of Swords in 10 episodes without completely butchering it. I cant wait to get to that book, everyone I know that read it says its the best of the series thus far. Your guys' opinions? Maybe they split that into two seasons?

edit: Nm, didnt see Karan's post. :

Word. They can just intersperse the content because not enough happens in either of the books to necessitate 2 seasons.

I disagree with that. AFFC is slower than the other books for sure, but there's still plenty going on and I think AFFC + ADWD would be way too much content for one season. ASOS I think would work really well being split into two seasons though and I think there's even a perfectly good stopping point for the first season if they did split it:

The Red Wedding

Yeah I think we got that without the spoiler.


lol @ not enough happening in books 4 and 5 for two seasons - I don't think combining them has ever been suggested, has it? They've just talked about splitting book 3. Obviously I realise they'll have to combine the POVs.

Yeah I thought about having *that* event as the season 3 finale, but I think it makes more sense to do it like the following:

Red Wedding as episode 9 (like the preceding episode 9s from season 1 and 2 will be the "big" climax of their respective seasons) and then the end of episode 10 have the rise of Lady Stoneheart? Or am I getting my chronology wrong?

Otherwise having Stoneheart appear in a beginning/middle episode of season 4 will be so anti climactic.

Having said that, the rage that would result if Red Wedding was the end of season 3 and everyone had to wait a year to find out what happens would be the biggest troll in TV history. Ned Stark's beheading caused an absolute frenzy amongst non book readers, and I can only imagine RW being even worse

Lady Stoneheart would be fine in season 4, as her reveal is a perfect cliffhanger season end.

Elsewhere, they could most certainly condense books 4 and 5 a significant amount, because there's a big chunk of Jon and Sam story that overlaps, and Dany's chapters get so abysmal until the perspective changes to Selmy that I can't see anyone enjoying it long term. Even Tyrion doesn't have a huge amount to do, other than setting up another contender for the throne, which might just piss off viewers at that point. It's all just setup, and I can see some of the Iron Islands and Jaime material getting shifted around for pacing's sake.

Wait, so Stoneheart actually comes in at the end of book 3/probably at the end of season 4? I must be getting my events mixed up!

well the reveal of who she is is the epilogue of book 3, can't remember if she's mentioned before that

Yeah, that happens in the epilogue of A Storm of Swords and should also be the final scene of season 4, IMO. I don't really care if they cancel the show after that or whatever.

I do!

I'm probably more excited to see bran/arya stuff from Book 4/5 than I am to see most of the other things in the series!

Anyway, good to know it was renewed. I'm pretty sure it'll continually be until the producers are done with it, and I think they'd ultimately go in for the long haul given how popular the show's become.

Watching the numbers thus far I don't see how we'll get any less than 5 seasons, so long as certain season 3/4 events don't piss off too many of the non-book readers, and the quality of the writing stays as good as it has so far. I wouldn't be surprised if we get the whole story, though whether or not the series catches up to the books is another thing.

I'm hoping the chance of that happening stops George scratching his arse for a couple of years

He does keep saying that he's past the difficult part and the last two books will be finished much more quickly now.

Back in 2005, he also said that Dance would be finished within a year after Feast. We all know how that worked out. I hope you're right though. Besides, isn't his next Dunk & Egg novella supposed to come out this year?

anyone follow his blog? im pretty sure he hasn't worked on the next book at all since finishing dance.

There is a sample chapter up on his website though, so obviously some work has been done on it.

He read a different new wow chapter at one of the recent conventions too (video is on youtube). Those chapters are probably ones that didn't make it onto the end of Dance though.

Right. He had a handful of chapters that he finished while writing Dance and pushed them to Winds of Winter before publishing Dance. He has said very little about working on WoW since finishing Dance.

Honestly I think his claim that he was just 'stuck' at a hard point in the story was always kind of bullshit. The guy is constantly travelling, going to conventions/signings, and watching/writing about football. Not to mention all the little side writing/editing projects he has. People should just face it that he's not finishing this series.

YES

We have a thread for the books already, which only gets posted in when the topics are about the books only (ie. when a new book comes out, when people are re-reading the books, when newbies start reading the series etc)

The only crossover in this thread with the books is when people are speculating about how they will adapt it for the show, or how it is different from the show and how that will affect future episodes/seasons, which I think is reasonable.

The spoiler rule we ended up on last year is perfectly adequate IMO and doesn't necessitate a thread for the TV show including book chat and one for the TV show minus the books. It would just make the two separate threads too restrictive as there's always going to be crossover, and most of the people who post in here know the rules by now so *hopefully* we won't get too many spoilers (like we did just recently).

That reminds me that Balon was about perfect. Did you pay the iron price?